Hello everyone and welcome to today’s podcast of Discover Health. I’m Dr. Trish – physician, author, and Health Catalyst speaker, and I am psyched today to have Reed Davis here with me talking about the real root causes of thyroid imbalances. Hi Reed!

Hello, Dr. Trish. Thanks for having me!

Oh, it’s an honor to have you on the show. What I’m going to do, folks, is I’m going to read to you Reed Davis’s, founder of Functional Diagnostic Nutrition®, bio and then we’re going to get right into this topic of the real root causes of thyroid imbalances. So here we go!  

Reed Davis, founder of Functional Diagnostic Nutrition® and also a Holistic Health Practitioner (HHP) and Certified Nutritional Therapist (CNT), is an expert in functional lab testing and holistic lifestyle medicine. He is the founder of Functional Diagnostic Nutrition® (FDN) and the FDN certification course. Reed served as the health director and case manager at a wellness center in southern California for over ten years and now teaches the FDN course with over 2500 trainees and graduates in 50 countries. Today, Reed is known as one of the most successful and experienced clinicians in the world, having provided functional lab assessments to over 10,000 clients. Reed is also a Clinical Advisor for BioHealth Laboratories and lives in the United States, teaching the FDN Certification Course and helping his graduates build robust and private practices.

Wow, Reed you’ve been doing this for quite some time it sounds like!

Yes, thank you so much again for having me here, and I hope we help some people. I started in 1999. I came out of the environmental law field, so I was saving the planet: birds, bees, air, water, trees. I started noticing, boy, if the environment is so bad on birds and bees and trees, what’s it doing to us as people? So, I turned my attention to study in that, Doc. That’s been quite a journey.

Tell us a little bit more about that. How did you get to serve who you are now? Obviously, you started out in environmental law but then how did you get to where you are doing this Functional Diagnostic Nutrition® program now?

Partly, out-working everybody but mostly just having a real sincere desire to get to the underlying causes and conditions rather than treat the symptoms. That came from when I changed professions from the law and saving the planet, recycling, and whatever. I went right to work for a clinic in southern California and they put me in charge of the whole clinic as a general manager businessman. The owner who was a contractor with osteopathy and we had massage, we had acupuncture, and we had a podiatrist in there. It was a really nice wellness center and the owner contractor took me and said I could go to nutrition classes with her. She was getting her diplomat. I jumped at that opportunity, and in between classes she let me work on her patients. I just, you’d know what I’m talking about Dr. Trish,

I fell in love with the clinical side, with the one-on-one, with looking people in the face and having to help them.Click To TweetYou know what that feels like, right?

Oh, absolutely.

It’s very rewarding but it’s also really a deep responsibility. Now I didn’t have my own health problem. A lot of people in my position had a health problem, overcame it, and now they want to teach other people. I didn’t have a health problem. I just had a lot of consumer advocacy under my belt and saving the planet and when I found out that these people coming in the clinic had already seen five or eight or even ten practitioners it kind of upset me. I thought, well what a rip off! That’s not right. And maybe we could…humble me, naïve me I actually decided I’d be the last person they needed to see. Now as a physician with all the experience you have, you know that that was a bit naïve, but what it did is made me dig and dig and dig and dig. Again, with these doctors in the clinic, back then they were kind of called the alternative complementary type, they let me run labs under their watchful eye and licensure. I wanted to run labs. I ran thousands of labs on thousands of people. I was also really good at getting new people into the clinic and so I did aggressive outside screening and marketing and things. I just had more people to work on than most practices and I ran labs. That was my thing. If you do it long enough, even if you don’t know what you’re doing, you kind of stumble upon patterns and things that work! Not only was I guided by these good mentors, again an osteopath, a chiropractor, an acupuncturist, and other people, I made my own observations. I filled in pieces of the puzzle and

I actually came up with a heuristic or practical program just a way of doing things consistently, repeatedly, systematically, and it just started really helping people.Click To Tweet It had very early kind of miracles that surprised me. I had other really stubborn cases where it was really hard to figure out what was wrong, very complex stuff. But again, I came up with this system and then eight years later I started teaching. That’s been twelve years, so we’ve taught a lot of people in a lot of places to use this system and it’s just really neat to help people.

Well that’s awesome because of course in medicine it’s called a “practice” and the fact is we need exactly that – clinical practice – and thousands and thousands of patients and no matter how much you study the books, no matter how much you’ve gone to your educational programs, until you’ve worked with enough patients, you don’t see the patterns. The more you work with people, the more you do see the patterns and the complexity and the fact that it gives you the ability to realize there is a foundation which it sounds like you’ve created with this Functional Diagnostic Nutrition® foundational program and the ability from there to then look at the complexity of each individual and find out what else each individual might personally need. Would that be correct?

Yeah, exactly. Indeed. It’s very practical but at the same time the mental discipline, the heuristic way of looking at things. Remember I wasn’t a physician, so I had to dig deeper. I couldn’t get out a prescription pad to take care of the relief care. There’s nothing wrong with relief care, but that wasn’t my job. My job was really to dig deeper and deeper. I kind of pioneered a way and I followed other people who were doing good things and put a pretty neat program together. It is about that looking for the underlying causes.


Then looking upstream what’s really wrong? What are the sources of the stress? I’ve kind of coined this phrase: “contributors to metabolic chaos.” The symptoms can come out in one person in one area thyroid and in another person it’s the adrenals and gonads, another person it’s nerve cells, another person it’s the ability to properly convert carbs into energy. Whatever it is, there are so many different areas that the symptoms can appear even if the stressors are basically the same.

And that’s so true and fits the title of today’s talk: the real root causes of thyroid imbalances. The fact that so many people that come in and say, “well I think my thyroid is off.” It’s like, “Well wait a minute, okay, yes, it may be. But what’s really the underlying root cause, and what exactly was happening before that’s led you to where you are today? Is it really your thyroid?” Maybe you do the labs and it’s not necessarily the thyroid. First, Reed, when are thyroid symptoms not a thyroid problem?

Well first let’s mention what they are. A person shows up in the average office with weight gain, can’t maintain their weight, low energy, fatigue, sometimes ice cold or even tingling hands and feet extremities, dry skin is really common, muscle aches, constipation is huge, swelling ankles, feeling blue/sad. There’s what’s called a traditional reliable cluster of symptoms that sounds like this or sounds like that. If you listed those off as your major symptoms, someone would say, “That sounds like thyroid.” Now you know that they probably will even test the thyroid. Yup, pat myself on the back. I found your problem, it’s low thyroid. Here’s an agent to introduce, with very little consideration for variables, to change the numbers on the paper. And guess what? You might actually feel better.

You can help people that way, but again

I’ve never had that luxury or ability to be able to write the prescription to alleviate the symptoms. I found out pretty quickly that I didn’t want to.Click To TweetIt would actually be better for that person if I could find out what are some of these underlying causes and conditions that produce the low thyroid results on the test? Now, there could be something wrong with the thyroid, don’t get me wrong. We have people who have low thyroid hormone (TH) because they have iodide deficiency or tyrosine deficiency, but those are really rare. There are also autoimmune disorders which puts it in a separate category. So, what we’ll do is just talk about the regular hypothyroidism like typically on a test result your THS is going to be elevated. Your T4, your T3 are going to be low. Well, I say, “why?” In that discovery and running all the other labs, looking at the other hormones in the immune system, digestion, detoxification, energy production, and these things you start to realize, wow, some of these or all of these are having an effect on that thyroid production. It could be neurotransmitters, autonomic nervous system, even the limbic system, circadian rhythm, these all have an effect on the hypothalamus and pituitary which are pretty much directing traffic when it comes to thyroid output. So, I look upstream to the hypothalamus, the pituitary, and the hormones that they produce. You’ll find that the hypothalamus, for instance, is affected by neurotransmitters, sympathetic overload, other hormones, the limbic system, brain chemistry, toxicity, and on and on. Now you start to get the idea that wow in order to really help a person with ordinary hypothyroidism you’ll probably better take a look at their whole life, all the influences and then sort it out that way. That’s why we’re now calling this lifestyle medicine, functional medicine and how things are functioning and lifestyle medicine because it’s really lifestyle that’s going to change it. I can get into some details for you to but that’s a good start.

Absolutely. We will. Reed, I explained I’ll share with you and everybody a recent example that I had a patient that I did the free T3, free T4, the TSH, but I also did antibodies against the thyroid and there are a couple different ones you can test for and they were high! I said, “Well, you have an autoimmune condition where your immune system is, if you will, attacking your cells and attacking your thyroid. We need to find out why your immune system is so irritated and how we can quiet that down so that maybe your thyroid would function better and you won’t need as much medication.” The interesting point of this, before we get into more details, is this patient went off to their primary care physician who she then shared those labs with the physician and the physician said, “Yeah, you have Hashimoto’s and the treatment is to take the thyroid medicine.” That was it! They had no discussion about…like I was saying to them, “Let’s try to find out the root cause.” So again folks, functional medicine is all about the root cause and why is this happening.

Reed, let’s start talking about some of these different categories or reasons for thyroid disfunction or imbalance. How does stress affect thyroid function, and do the same symptoms occur with stress as does with hypothyroidism?

Yeah, that’s the one sort of invariable – that the symptoms are going to be the same. We read off the traditionally reliable cluster of symptoms and they might indeed be…low thyroid hormone will do that but looking upstream at what the stressors are, we’ve mentioned some: toxicity, a big one is (I don’t want to get too technical) but there are toxins that come from bacteria and unwanted creatures in your body, we call them “endotoxins.” Specifically, lipopolysaccharides. These actually affect the communication between the hypothalamus and the pituitary and between the pituitary and the thyroid. They suppress the TRH and TSH, I won’t go into the six-syllable words, but they suppress. These lipopolysaccharides which are toxins from the bacterial overgrowth and even yeast and you can have parasites and biofilms…lot’s of things going on in the gut which by the way also cause the autoimmune problem. Once you get leaky gut then you get these. So, people with autoimmune there’s a cause for that too and it’s sort of the same causes for both thyroid in some cases.

Another thing about the gut and people with autoimmune have this leaky gut, a lot of…you have to understand T3 is the active hormone, the one that has the metabolic affect, but the thyroid makes mostly T4, and it’s converted in the liver. Because of these toxicity issues or liver function you won’t have good conversion of T4 to T3. The symptoms would be the same (low T3 symptoms just like we read off) and the solution could be just well here’s your thyroid hormone just boost it up and that might make some of it go away. But the root or looking for the root is going to involve these bugs, overgrowth that the toxicity from them issues with conversion in the liver and a huge one I’m sure you’re aware of this, and again I don’t want to go over people’s heads but another thing that’s going on in the liver it doesn’t convert all the T4 into T3 right away. Some of it gets converted in these other T4 or it’s called T3-acetic acid and T3-sulfate. They kind of are just reserves and they have to get converted to active T3 through gut bacteria. The good bacteria in the gut! The gut becomes even more…and by the way that’s up to 25% of your active T3 hormone. So again, T4 is making T3, yes, but it stores some as T3-acetic acid and T3-sulfate reserves that are converted in the gut by bacteria into the active T3. Up to 25%. What kind of symptoms do you think those people show up with? The exact same symptoms! And there’s nothing wrong with the thyroid, just substituting the thyroid hormone isn’t fixing anything. You can get the picture here and why I use the term “metabolic chaos.” There could be a lot going on, but when you know what those things are you have a system of approaching it and saying, “Hey, let’s go through diet because food can affect this, sleep patterns, exercise of course, and then the main one for us is stress.” You mentioned stress. Well, stress reduction is probably the biggest area to look at in an unwell person regardless of what their symptoms are and what cluster and maybe what preliminary labs you might have run, there’s a lot more stuff to look at. We can go on in even more detail!


Do you concur with that?

Oh, absolutely! For example, as metabolic chaos, I just had a patient today and we did a comprehensive stool analysis, talking about lab tests, and she had dysbiosis and she also had malabsorption, poor digestion of fats and things. It’s showing that she actually has gut dysfunction. We also did a salivary cortisol test to look at her adrenal function and that was also off. She had dysfunction in both, but the idea is leaky gut, for example, can cause adrenal dysfunction, and adrenal dysfunction and stress can cause leaky gut! Again, what’s driving what? They’re all driving each other, and the bottom line is we’ve got to try and work with each and every individual, each personal individually with their full history as you mentioned and try to identify patterns not only in their labs but what are the patterns in their life that the triggers, the antecedents, the different imbalances that are the patterns for them and then again start at a foundational point.


Reed, what’s your foundational system to kind of work through with a patient to identify what you think is the sifting through this metabolic chaos? How does that look like for you?

Well, obviously people have to be motivated to make changes. They have to recognize there is something about the way they look or feel that they want to change. I’ve interviewed people, and I’m sure you have too Dr. Trish, “Okay, what’s your main complaint?” And they’ll give it to you, it could be migraines or fatigue or some of these things. They’ve been to another physician that said, “Your bloodwork looks normal and here’s your chill pill.” They’re coming to you and they might have tried three or four or five different things. They have this main complaint and it’s been going on for some time, it affects them almost daily or most of their life, they’ve tried all this different stuff, and they really just need to recognize that this can’t go on or it’s going to get worse. If you keep just patching lotions, potions, powders, and pills and standing on your head in a corner you’ve got to do some investigative work.

That’s my foundation, to do the onboarding of someone, make sure they recognize this is a problem, and are motivated enough, committed enough to change it. Hopefully they have a support group around them and even if they’ve tried other approaches that didn’t work, you’ve got to work past that. There is a way. Then you could engage, I won’t engage a person or let them hire me if they’re not motivated. Once there’s a commitment to running some labs, once you get the labs, well guess what – there’s no magic lotion, potion, powder, or pill coming out. You can use things for relief care and supplements do support and they can stimulate and substitute what’s not in food but basically they’re going to have to eat right, they’re going to have to go to bed on time and get a good night sleep working on sleep hygiene, they’re going to have to exercise to detoxify their body and stimulate things, and then we’re going to have to look pretty deep for some of these stressors. I do run the same stool test you run; I run that on every person no matter what! Sometimes you don’t find something but at least you’ve ruled out. We do a leaky gut test, we look at the adrenals and the sex hormones, we look at digestion, we look at liver function. I’ve found that the bilastine test through urine can tell you if the liver is congested, clogged up, and these kinds of things. We run these functional labs including a food sensitivity test. I’ve yet to find someone who doesn’t have some that are contributing to metabolic chaos. You won’t heal your leaky gut if you eat foods that you’re sensitive to. If you haven’t gotten rid of the bugs, the unwanted bugs, and restored normal biosis these are just the things that we do. It sounds complex, but it’s actually pretty simple. Onboard the right people who are highly motivated and have some sort of support system or a great one. Then you’ve got to do your investigation to identify (you’ll love this) what I call the “healing opportunities.” Again, I don’t want any part of a medical diagnosis. I leave that in a doctor’s backyard and thank God they’re there to identify the really bad stuff. I can’t order a CT scan or an X-ray or an MRI. If you get off a plane from Wuhan, China with a temperature of 106oF, you don’t call your nutritionist!

I know, not right now!

Right? No, you don’t call your nutritionist. You go to your MD and get out of the woods. People when they’re out of the woods or they’ve been told by their physician, “Nothing really looks too wrong here,” but they’re miserable, that’s our target. That’s someone we can really help. What’s wonderful about your office, I’ve read your complete history there and how you set it up…by the way I commend you for being a pioneer in this field. You’ve been around awhile doing it. You’re doing both. If someone comes in and just smashed their finger with a hammer, you know how to fix it. I don’t do that! If they have gotten off the plane from West Africa and their temperature is 105oF and they’re bleeding from their eyeballs they don’t want to talk to me, not first! You do both. You’ll use that holistic program to work around the edges of their true medical condition until it goes away. You can support the medical condition and if you do enough, if there’s enough time to do the holistic route, then you’ve got someone who is actually healthier, happier and they don’t even have their diagnosis anymore.

Well thanks for that, Reed. Yes, absolutely I’ve set up my clinic to be holistic and that’s exactly what it’s all about. I would say that if someone does bang themselves with a hammer or get off a plane, as you described, they really honestly don’t belong in my office because those are such acute conditions. They belong in their nearest emergency room.  

Emergency – yeah.

That’s what’s wonderful about medicine today. We have in the western world no doubt, when it comes to acute disease, one of the best medical systems in the world and you do want to be in the United States of America in an emergency room if you’re having a heart attack or you need surgery or if something is acutely wrong, that’s where you belong. Absolutely.

But the problem with our system today is that it’s not dealing with chronic diseases well. In some regards there are more bankruptcies in this country due to chronic disease and people not able to get better because the traditional medical model is not looking for what we’re talking about here on this podcast. What this podcast is all about at Discover Health is – what is the root cause and how do we help you identify it? As you mentioned, people must be motivated. I honestly have been a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine for many years and my bread and butter is to do osteopathic manipulation. I will tell you I do get a lot of patients that come to see me with their acute back pain and all they want me to do is manipulate their back and make them feel better, so they can walk out the door. And I’m fine. I will do that, but I also will point out to their hypertension and their hypothyroidism and their high cholesterol and all these other chronic conditions! What about their diet? What about exercise? What about nutrition? What about their management of stress? Which is what my book is all about, Make a D.E.N.T. in Chronic Disease. Let’s talk a little bit more about toxicity, Reed.


How is toxicity specifically connected to hypothyroidism?

Again, there’s different types of toxicity. A lot of them just from the environment, for instance, would affect the liver. You’re really going to downregulate the conversion of T4 to T3 – that’s one major way. But this might be considered your outside toxins from the air, water, what you’re eating even has toxins. Your body has a natural defense for that called the mucosal barrier but that breaks down over time. You get these congested livers…again, I use a urine test for that. It’s not looking at enzymes, cirrhosis, or hepatitis it’s just looking for flat out congestion and it slows things down. That’s one type of toxicity and how it might affect.

These other ones, the endotoxins, are I think more insidious. These are lipopolysaccharides from bacteria. If you have a dysbiosis and worse overgrowth and biofilm, these endotoxins really have an insidious effect and will actually downregulate the pituitary so TSH is slowed down. You can’t make it. It’s telling the thyroid, “don’t make thyroid.”

Now, another one that you brought up is other kinds of stress which raises your cortisol. Cortisol is this main stress hormone, right? Along with adrenaline maybe. This cortisol also downregulates TSH, so it slows the thyroid down and guess what? It’s supposed to! I think that some of these things like the toxicity are to be investigated one way and more or less eliminated or reduced, that kind of stress on the body. This idea of mental/emotional stress or pain, your cortisol is going to be running high. That suppresses the TRH as well from the hypothalamus but you’re actually putting the body into kind of a hibernation or a conservation mode. Stress will tell the thyroid on purpose to slow down metabolism, why? To conserve resources. Your body thinks it’s under attack, so you don’t really want to have a high metabolism. It’s an adaptive response and that’s the mechanism of action. Cortisol directly affects TSH and so do these toxins, whether they are coming from the outside and maybe also screwed up the liver function (pardon my lay terms here) and also these internal ones which are probably even more insidious.

Yeah, and again it comes down to a metabolic chaos in the essence of it could be so many different things as we said between stress or leaky gut or toxins and breakdowns of the bacteria and dysbiosis and the imbalance of the microbiome. You’ve got to go to someone that’s going to break this down and try to help figure it out. Now you’re in the practice of training people, it sounds like, with this Functional Diagnostic Nutrition® certification course. Tell us about that.

Yeah, thank you. You know I was doing so much work, I was considered one of the most successful and I will say at least busiest nutritionist (non-licensed). I was a personal trainer, nutritionist, holistic health practitioner, and general do-gooder and I was running more labs than anybody! I was under these doctors, but I got called one day by one of the labs, and they said, “Who the hell are you?” And I said, “What do you mean?” And they go, “Well you run more labs than anybody that we know. Joe Mercola’s office has five doctors and you run more labs than that. How are you doing this?” The only reason I was doing it, Doc, is because I didn’t know you couldn’t. I’m just busy. I like the work. I go out and get customers and I run labs, that’s what I do! I’m making observations and figuring things out. I’ve got this system and put them through this thing. Even my customers…because I also love to lecture, I was going out three or four times a month lecturing at libraries even grocery stores and also trying to do that to build the business. Those people would come up and say, “You’ve got to be teaching and you should be teaching.”

I finally put this weekend seminar together and put the word out and guess what? People showed up and they loved it. I just kind of switched to teaching. Now it’s not a weekend seminar anymore. It’s a course that takes six to eight months to get through. It’s very robust and practitioners love it, people who have licenses, and non-practitioners, what we call the lay practitioners. I’m able to take a health coach or a nutritionist way up to the next level through the anatomy and physiology, biochemistry what’s involved in learning labs. We teach you lab work but it’s all-natural protocols. There are no drugs. As a matter of fact, we were recently last year fully accredited by the American Association of Drugless Practitioners. Now, I’m not against drugs. They’re fine when you need them and relief of a downward spiraling condition.

But if you want to get healthy and build health we have a system of labs and a system of natural protocols that’s called lifestyle medicine.Click To TweetI’ve been doing that for twelve years now and have a tribe. You said fifty countries, we actually signed up the fifty-first country this weekend! I don’t remember what it was…it was Jamaica or something. There’s another country! This works best in the United States, Canada, and we have a lot in Australia, New Zealand, United Kingdom. The rest of the world doesn’t have access to the labs and products that we do here in America. We have it made here! Lots of access to everything, lots of sick people!

Yeah. I’ll attest to that for sure! How do people find out more if they have more interest in the Functional Diagnostic Nutrition® program?

Well you just said it – functionaldiagnosticnutrition.com I couldn’t think of a longer URL so I called it that! functionaldiagnosticnutrition.com – just the way it sounds! You can read about our system and program. I’m now in the business of teaching although yesterday I saw a client too and had a lot of fun going over lab results. I’m still practicing. We also have a very robust graduate program. We have an association, an alumni group, for our graduates and that keeps…you know a lot of business, coaching, how to keep your nose clean, how to integrate with physicians like yourself. We’re actually placing some of our grads who are really…these people just want to help, and they usually have their own story to tell and they are very dedicated to it. You have a person like that, that’s really good grounds for now teaching them the rules and how to look at labs functionally, not giving medical diagnosis, but just here’s some healing opportunities and then the natural protocol. The lifestyle stuff works perfectly in physician’s offices as well as independent practitioners.

Reed, I have another question for you around when someone comes to see someone like yourself or someone training in your program, do you start out with labs or do you start out with obviously the history and the intake but from there do you always start out with a base lab or foundational evaluation? If you do, what does that involve? And secondly, if you don’t or sometimes, do you initiate clinical behaviors to see if they’re benefiting them and if that works without necessarily having to do a ton of lab work? What is your feeling on that?

What I’d learned to do was run labs and identify the healing opportunities and then give them the recommendation, the education that they need. The lab work tends to wake people up.Click To Tweet Yesterday when I said I went over some labs with a client and she said what they all say, “I can’t believe it.” When we focus, it’s not on, “Here’s your diagnosis, here’s your treatment.” It’s, “Here’s what the labs are saying. How do you feel about that?” It’s called clinical correlation as you will know. Our labs clinically correlate really well, and the client is just so happy that someone’s actually telling them why they feel so lousy when their “standard doctor” said, “Your bloodwork looks normal. Go get some diet and exercise. Come back when you’re really sick.” Again, I don’t put doctors down, I’m just saying the people aren’t happy. That motivated me twenty years ago and it still motivates me to this day because standard medicine largely relies on drugs and surgery.

The answer to your question is, yes, I onboard carefully but then I do the same thing. Even when my own mother, who is 89 now, asked me for some help. My sister who is a nurse said, “Maybe Reed could help you,” and I did the exact same thing with my mother. I didn’t change it one bit. I ran five labs and gave her what we call the D.R.E.S.S. protocol (diet, rest, exercise, stress-reduction, and supplementation), a very specific customized program, and she did it! Within six months she had dropped a medication and her other medication was cut in half. Her doctor said, “Whatever you’re doing, keep doing it!” Everybody’s happy and she now has a boyfriend at 89 years old! How much better can life get than that, you know? I don’t do anything different for my mom or my clients and I don’t teach anything different.

I have a system, it’s a complete heuristic, which means a program that works, and anyone can learn it and you can do it just for yourself or you could do it for a profession or you could add it to the knowledge you already have. With you, I would love to train some of your staff. I know you’ve got some health coach-type people there and they’d be maybe of more value to you and to your patients. I saw a functional medicine doctor myself a few months ago and he doesn’t have a health coach. I said, “You need a health coach. You’ve got to have a team to give all the love that your patients need if they’re going to get better.”

Oh, absolutely! My health coach…there’s actually Dr. Trish in my office and Health Coach Trish, it’s kind of simple. You just say, “Trish,” and both of us answer! But she’s a rockstar. She’s very familiar with a lot of this and I couldn’t live without her. These days I look at it as if I take a 30,000-foot view and she’s the one who’s walking the walk and talking the talk, holding their hand and walking down the sidewalk and running with them. It’s so important to have these supportive people to help you and help the patients be able to get where they want to do, to hold them accountable and hold themselves accountable. It’s such an important piece. It really does take a team of people and that is just important.  

Gosh, Reed, this has been awesome! Thank you so much for being on the show! The one question I love to end the conversation with, with all of the folks that come on and talk with me is – what would you say is your one secret, if you had to say one, what’s your biggest secret to living a healthy life?

It’s got nothing to do with lab work! It has more to do with the point of view. I get up every day and I have pretty much my whole life…I don’t have a big rearview mirror, what happened yesterday was yesterday, what happens today and what can happen tomorrow can be better. And so, I get up and I really just kind of thank my lucky stars, so to speak. I’m grateful for what I have, and I don’t commiserate about what I don’t have. I go get it or find a way. I also find that being of service is very, very important to me. Personally, I would say that I get up and look at today as another day to do some good in the world and work on myself. It’s not just a positive mental attitude, it’s more of a deeper thing than that. It touches on the spiritual, if you will, and that’s how I start the day. I recommend if you don’t have that chances are you’re not going to be healthy – not completely.

Well that’s very powerful. Thanks for that information because you’re absolutely right. There’re universal emotions in the world of gratitude and positivity and empathy and being of service. If we really get up as you say every day and come at it that we’re really just wanting to be a positive aspect of this universe and give to our fellow man and be of service, then everything’s going to work its way out. You’re always going to find answers.

Yes ma’am.

Thank you so much for being on the show today, Reed.

It’s been a real pleasure. Thank you, Dr. Trish!


This is Dr. Trish just interviewing Reed Davis on the real root causes of thyroid imbalances. Thanks for coming everybody and listening, and we’ll see you on the next show!


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