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Hello, everyone! Dr. Trish best-selling author and the Health Catalyst Speaker. Here on Discover Health Podcast today our title is “Ditch the Toxins,” and we’re talking with Dr. Wendie Trubow. Wendie, welcome to the show!

Thanks so much, Trish. Great to be here!

Oh, glad to have you here. I hear you’re not too far from me. I’m up in the mountains of New Hampshire in the cold and ice right now, but you’re really right down in the city below me, right? You’re in Boston?

I know! All I have is cold. I don’t have snow. I just have cold, cold and gray!

That’s actually why I moved up so far up north, so I would have snow because I was just always cold and I couldn’t even go out and play in it, you know?

Right! At least you get to go skiing.

Exactly! Exactly. So, folks, I’m going to share Wendie’s bio with you, and then we’re going to get right into this.

Dr. Wendie Trubow is a functional medicine gynecologist with a thriving practice at Five Journeys. She is passionate about helping women optimize their health and their lives. Through her own struggles with mold and metal toxicity, Celiac disease, and other health issues, Dr. Trubow has developed a deep sense of compassion and obviously expertise of what her patients are facing. She is the co-author of a new book entitled, Dirty Girl: Ditch the Toxins, Look Great, and Feel Freaking Amazing! That’s an awesome title, Wendie!

So, Wendie, the first question I always ask all my guests because people want to know, what is your story? How have you come to practice the way you are now?

Well, my husband teases me that it’s all about me because I got into functional medicine because I was a patient. I would say my story has two parts to it. The first part is the story of progressively failing and getting to the point where I had head to toe dysfunction – hair loss, brain fog, anxiety (and I’m high-strung but I’m not anxious typically), asthma, thyroid issues, heart palpitations, every gut issue, bloating, gas, diarrhea, constipation, reflux (actually I didn’t have reflux, I had everything else), menstrual issues, fertility issues (I made up for that), wasting, nutritional deficiencies, and everything hurt. I had no, zero sex drive. Forget sex!

I saw his mentor and he did you know the $4,000 work up, and I was horrified at the time. He said to me, “you have Celiac.” And I was like, “Oh, my dad has Celiac.” He said, “Well, it’s genetic.” And I was like, “I remember learning about that in med school, but I didn’t know it was genetic. I don’t remember learning that. I just remember learning about that it was called Celiac’s brew.” So, the first part of my story is when I was thirty-five and diagnosed with Celiac after really almost not being able to get out of bed. The only reason I did was I was the primary breadwinner at that time, and I was stubborn. I was like, “I’m not dying! I’m just tired!” So, that was part one. I spent the next fourteen years really working on my gut health, my adrenal health, my overall mineral nutrient deficiencies because I had had celiac for at least ten years before it was diagnosed, if not longer, because I was nutrient deficient when I was a teenager. I had spent twenty years undiagnosed probably.

Part two of the story starts when I was forty-nine, forty-eight actually. We took the trip of a lifetime. Everything falls into the BC and the AC category, so this is before Covid. We took a trip to Europe, and one of the places we went in Europe was France. It was ten days after Notre Dame burned down, and it was super dusty. We were slogging through it, and I didn’t think anything of it except to comment on how dusty it was and how dirty we were going to be. When I came back from France, I gained about nine pounds. Not in France, after France. Coming home I gained nine pounds, and I had a rash all over my face and my hair started falling out. I was like, “what’s going on here, folks?” And I’m a functional medicine provider, so I’m like, “okay, I’ll take some biocide and maybe my gut is out of whack.” I had no idea what was going on. I couldn’t figure it out.

About three months later, I heard on NPR that when Notre Dame burned it released 500 tons of lead into the air, and it was concentrically concentrated. So, the closer you were to where Notre Dame was, the more lead exposure you got. I was like, “I was there! I was there! I hung out there.” And I realized I had a lead exposure.

So, then the second part of my story occurs when I was turning forty-nine. I did the whole toxins evaluation on myself. You know, I’m really an overachiever. I had heavy metals. I had lead and mercury, right? Like leave nothing untouched. I had mycotoxins, four different strains (those are the mold toxins). I had environmental toxins including things like gasoline fumes, plastics, a lot of the beauty product side effects. I didn’t have glyphosate. That was like the one benefit to how I’ve been eating is I didn’t have glyphosate, so it’s great. Glyphosate’s the most commonly used herbicide in the world. It’s a microbiome disruptor. It’s associated with a number of tumors. So, I was kind of psyched I didn’t have that, but I had all these other toxins. I looked at my husband and I said, “I am such a dirty girl.” And then I said, “oh, that’s the book we’ve got to write because I’m the poster child for healthy living and yet even with all of that I still was just overrun.” It was taking a huge toll on my health. So, I’ve been in the dance of getting rid of toxins for the last two and a half years, almost three, and I’m now fifty-one. It’s like an ongoing process.

And that’s exactly it. I mean, this whole thing of functional medicine and our lifestyles is a journey.


The idea of yes, and functional medicine folks that follow it know the gut, the gut, the gut and obviously the immune system with leaky gut. So, this whole idea of Celiac, you know that’s one to three percent of the population though, folks. You fit in a small percentage, but still obviously we all know about food sensitivities can also lead down that path. If you are truly Celiac, you are already down those paths, you know, throughout your childhood it sounds like, like you say.


Teetering on that narrow fence…

didn’t take a lot! It didn’t take that much to push me off the fence.

Yeah! Yeah, but then the other side of the coin is of course you work, like you say, you worked on the gut. You worked on your immune system, but then this idea of toxins and it’s a whole other avenue to be looked at. So, it’s great to bring that up and to dive into that. So, what are some examples of toxins that people consume unknowingly every day?

Alright, let’s back up a step, Trish. So, when people listen to these kind of things they always freak out and they’re like, “Oh, I’ve got to fix everything!” So, the first thing I’m going to say is you’re going to fix things one at a time. It’s okay! The Great Wall of China was not built overnight, and you won’t be either. So, don’t freak out about this, okay? Go systematically, and as you’re approaching toxins, go for what I call low-hanging fruit. The kinds of things that we’re exposed to every day.

Let me count the ways. So, the way to categorize this is the things you put in your body (that’s the food you’re eating, the things you’re drinking, and what are those things you’re eating and drinking coming in? So, if you’re eating food that has pesticides or other chemicals sprayed on it, if it comes from another country and they spray it to make sure that it doesn’t have any bugs on it or aphids or anything like, that you’re getting exposed to chemicals through your food. For drink, if you’re drinking from single-use plastic bottles those are extremely difficult for your health. Those are endocrine disruptors, xenoestrogens, and can disrupt the whole endocrine system. And then if you’re drinking alcohol, that is an adrenal stressor, and it makes it harder for your liver to do its job to detox because now it’s focusing on getting rid of the alcohol. It starts to challenge the system. If you eat a lot of sugar, that can feed candida. Candida can throw off the microbiome. When the microbiome isn’t happy you don’t do the detox process. There are things that you’re directly exposed to, and then there are things that can throw off the system. That’s just what you put in your body.

Then there’s a whole host of things that you put on your body. That is all the beauty products, that’s the furniture that you sit on, that’s the clothing that you’re using. If you’re wearing clothing without washing it, it’s got chemicals in it to preserve it. Your body absorbs those chemicals. The bottom line is if you buy new clothes, wash them. Wash them!

And the other tip I’ll say is a lot of the clothing now will say, “dry clean only.” Dry cleaning is extremely toxic. One of the places near me said, “healthy clean green dry cleaning.” I was like, “oh, that sounds cool!” So, I called them. I said, “What do you use?” And they told me, and then I looked up what they told me. It’s formaldehyde! It was like, “Oh, that’s not clean.” I was almost greenwashed, but didn’t get snookered for once, you know? So, dry cleaning is very toxic for you.

The beauty products that we use often contain endocrine disruptors, and so those can be very toxic. Then there are things around your body, things like when I filled up my gas tank, I was inhaling the fumes from gasoline. Those fumes are very toxic, and I got sick from them. Things like plastics. Microwaving food in plastic, storing food in plastic, heating food in plastic. Any of those release toxins into us. Styrene, volatile organic compounds, construction materials. Things that are around us. The beds we sleep on are often sprayed with a flame retardant that can be a thyroid disruptor. And then there are the mycotoxins and metals which are around us.

So, if you lived in a house that was built before 1976, it likely contains lead paint. Everyone says to me, “I don’t lick the windowsills!” I’m like, “I know you don’t, but the house settles. And as the house settles, all of the places where the walls and the floors connect it grinds the paint and it dusts. You walk on it. You absorb it. You breathe it. You eat it. And so, you get lead.” And then a lot of people are really proud of how they self DIY their home. They renovated their home and opened up the walls and got exposed to lead paint in the in the renovation. So, if you’ve renovated a home and lived in it or did it yourself you were likely exposed to lead paint that way. They don’t use lead paint anymore. Since 1978/76ish it was outlawed, and then from 1986 it should no longer be in homes. But if you lived or grew up in a home built before that, you got exposed. Then you can be in places in the United States still even that there are lead in pipes, which is horrifying to think. There are still lead pipes. Flint, Michigan is a terrifying example. If you have lived in a place where the pipes aren’t replaced, they’re going to be lead.

And then mercury. There are a lot of different sources, but the top ones are tuna, the heavy mercury fish, the big predator fish. Tuna, mahi-mahi, swordfish, Chilean sea bass, tile fish – those are the big ones. Silver fillings, which are amalgam fillings which contained greater than 50% mercury and off gas forever. My dentist just persuaded me to get mine out actually. So, that’s another source of exposure.

Then mycotoxins. If you live in an old building that has a damp…you know, a lot of old buildings have floor just unfinished basement and it’s not stone it’s just the ground. So, if you live in a home like that, the basement is often wet and so there can be growth of mycotoxins. You can breathe that in. If you have a water-damaged building, if you’re in a school or a dorm. I had a patient whose car had water damage. Her car was moldy. So, there are a lot of ways to get exposed to that around us. And now, if you’re even still listening, there’s hope!

I was going to say, that’s quite a risk, talking about scaring people to death.


What do we do? What are the top ones? What do you suggest people do not to panic, you know? We’re all exposed to toxins every single day.


I mean, it’s a toxic world. We try and avoid them as best we can. And like you’ve mentioned many things here, but what would you put in the top list for folks to really make sure they take care of? You know, first, second, third, or even within the top three to five…

Yeah, so let’s just say I see this like a game, okay? This is not a where you’re getting an A+ and you’re getting a grade. It’s not that. It’s, how do we live a life that minimizes the toxins we’re exposed to? You’re always going to be exposed. Like you said, it’s a toxic world. But how do you just consistently level up?

I always say start with food because you do it every day, multiple times, right? So, start with something, and within that I always say that people make lifestyle changes in very different ways. If you get ten people in a room, you’re going to have ten different ways of what works for someone. So, you have to honor what works for you. If you’re a fell swoop kind of person, meaning you’re going to just wipe the dust clean and you’re going to repopulate it or clean out the whole fridge and repopulate it with food that works for you. Great! If you’re an incremental change kind of person and you do well with slow and steady, then you’re going to say, “Okay, I’m going to just pick this vegetable to level up with this week. Then once I’m comfortable with that and I’m used to it, I’m going to level up to another fruit or vegetable or whatever. One item at a time.” It’s fine! There’s no rush here. Unless you’re super sick, you can just do this as an iterative process. So, number one is food.

I would say number two would be the things you’re putting on your body because the skin is both an absorber and a releaser of toxins. You don’t want to put things on your body that are toxic. This is unto itself a tremendously overwhelming category for people because the average person uses like thirty products before they leave the house. Then I say, “Pick what’s running out, okay? Don’t try to level up your entire medicine chest. Just pick the thing that’s running out. Go to Environmental Working Group or Think Dirty®. They’re both apps, and they’ll rate it for you. You can first find out like maybe you stumbled on something that’s good for you.” I use the Physicians Formula for some bronzer. It’s the organic line, and I was kind of cringing like, “oh, is it bad?” Then I looked it up, and it was actually highly rated, so I said, “Okay!” Sometimes you’ll stumble on stuff and it’s actually okay, so look it up. Get the data, and then what you’re running out on, level up on that. Environmental Working Group and Think Dirty® allow you to search so you can say, “Okay, sure. Okay, show me what I should use instead of this.” Okay, so beauty products are the second.

Then I would say, you know, the third, three through five, is kind of things are going to be fighting for. Fighting for what comes first. You have to take care of your body. You have to get enough sleep. You have to move it regularly. You have to de-stress. So, I would say part three you can’t really detox until your body feels safe. Detox is a thriving behavior, and most of the time we live in survival. We’re stressed, we’re stressed, we’re stressed, we’re stressed, and detox doesn’t happen in that environment. So, take care of your body. Then we go back, okay, to how not to be exposed to chemicals.

The things that you’re cleaning your house with would be number four. Don’t use air fresheners. Don’t use candles. Use things that are naturally derived and clean your home with things that are that are highly rated and not putting more chemicals into your space. So, let’s start with those.

These are wonderful. The idea of, you know, everyone should be following these types of things. You brought up mold, of course, in your background and mycotoxins and stuff. You know, people can be, as you’ve brought up, pretty ill and not know when the traditional medical model wasn’t figuring it out.


I just had a new patient this week that’s only thirty-two years old and can’t even get off the couch. But the cardiologist, the pulmonologist, the gastroenterologist, nobody’s figuring it out.

She’s depressed actually.

Yeah, right. Exactly.

She’s just depressed!

She scored horribly on what’s called a visual contrast sensitivity test.


And it’s like…oh! And so, do you use that with folks, too?

I do. I do. Because it’s a $10 test, so it’s great because it’s this cheap screening test that you can go, “oh, okay. Now I need to pay more for the more expensive tests to figure out what the strains are.” Let’s talk about it because, Trish, you just brought up something that reminded me because you know every week has a theme. I don’t know if you see that in your practice, but this week the theme in my practice has been breast implants. I think a lot of women don’t recognize that breast implants can be a source of toxins for them. Around the capsule you can have either bacteria or mold, and so if you have breast implants and you feel like something’s not right, I would highly recommend getting them taken out. So, just a plug for take care of your breasts.

That’s a great tip. So, folks, if you’re not feeling well whether it’s you know where it is on the spectrum of obviously the person I just referred to laying on the couch and can’t even get up in their 30s to someone who’s just doesn’t feel well. Obviously, what we’re talking about today is time to ditch the toxins and the toxicity that might be in your body and to either evaluate it in detail or just start taking some of the steps that Wendie has already pointed out.

Let’s talk about that for a second, Trish, actually.

Sure! Go for it!

You can do so much on your own without needing to go to a provider. You can clean up your food. You can clean up your cleaning products, your beauty products. You can change around your home. You could do all your furniture. You can do all of that. You do not need to pay a functional medicine provider to tell you that. Where you do want to get a provider involved is if you’re specifically looking at removing heavy metals and mycotoxins. You want to know what strains you’re dealing with of both and what are your starting points and tracking the data to make sure it’s actually going out of your body. That’s the reason you want to work with a provider because those are not things I would recommend doing on your own. Just to distinguish, you can do a lot, don’t do everything!

Yeah! Now, what tests do you use to identify strains of mycotoxin.

Speaking specifically, like you actually want to talk about them? Okay, so if you have Medicare RealTime Labs is covered so we use that test because it doesn’t cost Medicare patients anything. That looks at five different strains. If you don’t have Medicare, because that test is like $799 if you don’t have Medicare, we use the Great Plains test. What I like about that is that tests for like twelve different strains, and you can simultaneously do the test for environmental toxins and pesticides and glyphosate. So, that’s nice because it’s one test. If you do everything it’s $537, but if you just do the mycotoxins, it’s $299. It’s a nicer entry point for a lot of people.

The Great Plains are these urine tests or blood tests or both?

Yeah, I just do the urine.

And, you know, Dr. Shoemaker who is kind of the head honcho and this super knowledgeable person that we all follow for mycotoxins and mold, I’ve read things that he’s not the biggest fan of the urine mycotoxin test. He performs the alpha melanocyte stimulating hormone and the beta TGF-β1 and the C4A and so forth. What are your thoughts on that?

I know, it’s so funny we were talking about that. We were at a conference and talking to someone about how he’s like, “you can’t test for the molds,” and I was like, “Well, you could come close, you know?” What I would say is what we’ve seen in our practice is that you test, you treat with the binders specific for that mycotoxin, and what happens is human beings get impatient, right? So, here’s your starting level. Say it’s 10. You start to treat, and then the human being says to me, “I’m so tired of doing treatment because, you know, it’s a pain in the butt.” And I say to them, “It’s a marathon, not a sprint. Just do it once a day but keep going.” But everyone gets impatient. You re-test and the level’s way higher and that’s good I say to them, “This good news. You’re mobilizing it. You’re moving it. You’re getting things going!”

And so, what happens is you start here. This is visual, right? You start here and you go up. And then at some point you’re going to go down. And if you test any time between your starting point and below your starting point, it’s going to be higher and you’re going to think it’s not working, but it really is. It’s simply that you tested too soon. So, what I would say to that is I don’t think that we’re talking about exact sciences, but I do think that it’s a good guidepost, just like the food sensitivity panels. I say to people, “This is not the holy grail. This is a starting point where we try to figure out themes and concepts that guide us and how do we fix your gut, but it’s not like you have to stop eating black pepper. That’s not the goal.”  So, I use it as a guidepost to say, “Okay. Am I on the right track here?” Let’s start to bind them, and do people get better? And people get better. So, I get what he’s saying and on the other hand, I also see in my clinical practice it makes a tremendous difference for people. So, I haven’t yet started to do all the other testing.

Yeah. And I find that using the binders, of course, but also everything else you were talking about before that and before we ever mentioned binders has to be done in order to start the body, as you say, to be able to detoxify and mobilize these things on its own so that the gut is working and the kidneys are working and our filters are working.


So, folks, you want to start with everything Wendie said earlier, and then if you need the binder then obviously you move towards it.

So, your couch-bound patient would be someone who I would say, “I really think we should look at toxins pretty quickly for you,” however, most people, unless you’re that person, most people I say to them, “We need to optimize your adrenals. We need to optimize your gut. We need to fix your life.”

We’re called Five Journeys because we take all these…we say that your physical body, your chemistry, your emotional state, your social relationships, and your spiritual all come into your health. And so, we have to optimize you first because if you start working on toxins, you feel crappy. You feel even worse! So, first optimize and then thrive. A hundred percent, Trish. Although I will say there are some patients I break that rule for. Like when I get the couch-bound people.

Absolutely. Then you need to go to what you know. You’ve got to get the answers so that they can try and start feeling better now. How can folks listen to and interpret the messages their bodies have been trying to give them?

Yeah, such a great question. So, I always say, “Okay. Do you notice your elbow on a daily basis? Probably not. I notice my elbow sometimes because I dislocated it in a skiing accident, actually seven years ago. I notice my elbow because I am rehabilitating it, but let’s go to the other elbow. The other elbow I never notice that. The rest of your body should be like your elbow. You don’t notice it because it’s functioning at such a level that the function is automatic, graceful, and invisible. When the function becomes dysfunctional and you start to notice the dysfunction, that’s when it’s time to pay attention.”

So, all these things we go, “I’m just getting older,” or, “Oh, that’s what my mom did. I got it from my mom,” or, “Well, it’s just the way I am.” All those excuses that we use, I call BS. I reject that you’re meant to fail over time. You’re meant to get better and better every decade and age well and get more vital and more clear and more grounded and feel better. So, if you’re noticing…so let’s get really granular. If you don’t poop every day, that’s not normal. What should happen is you eat and then you go poop. I remember learning about that in med school and being like the oro-anal reflex that is the weirdest thing. I was already constipated by that point, so I was like, “Who poops after they eat?” In a granular level, if you’re noticing any body part it’s a wake-up call. You should not be noticing it and that goes to anxiety, depression, insomnia, perimenopausal issues, period issues, whatever you throw at me my response is, “That is not normal. Let’s get to the root of it. Don’t just take the status quo.”

Exactly! It’s dysfunction. So, like you say, functional medicine that there was a great name that we all came up with in the idea of is it functioning normally? And if it is, then we shouldn’t really even be paying attention to it. If it’s something you think about on a regular basis daily or even numerous times a week, it’s like that’s not right. That’s not functioning optimally.


So, you know the body wants to come to health.


That’s what it’s meant to do.


What are some of the, you know, are there particular messages that a lot of the folks you work with come up with the most?

What do you mean by that?

Again, you mentioned bowel distress and things like that, but are there other ones that are kind of the highlighted ones that folks come with?

Yeah, so I’m a gynecologist, so I’ve limited my practice to only women. And so, I would say what’s amazing is how similar human beings really are. It doesn’t matter who you are, all of my women patients, maybe with the exception of one or two percent, they’re fatigued. They have gut issues. They’re stressed. It then trickles into sleep and feeling overwhelmed, and then it trickles down into feeling disorganized. So, yeah. Fatigue, gut, and then, of course, none of them have a sex drive because they’re exhausted. So, poor sex drive, fatigue, gut issues, ADHD, and then menstrual dysfunction. And when I see that I mean anything from too frequent, too heavy, too infrequent, hot flashes, anything to do with the hormonal balance. It gets thrown off for women.

Yeah, and of course as you mentioned the brain fog.


So, what advice do you offer now for eliminating toxins? Once they’re identified, should people be going cold turkey? Should they wean things little by little? What do you recommend? And obviously you must talk about this in your book.

I do, I do. I talk a lot about this in the book. And we have a whole road map for getting clean. The first thing you have to figure out is, again, if you’re a fell swoop person you’re going to want to make grand gestures. If you’re incremental…and here’s the thing. This can be kind of overwhelming. I’ve been in this game…my husband’s really into organic food and has been since we were together, and so, you know, that wasn’t hard to just do, right? So, for us we’ve been organic for a long time, mostly. But there was a point where I said to him, “I don’t really care if it costs more. I want you to buy organic because you’re going to either pay more for the organic food or you’re going to pay for the consequences of what’s happening for all of our kids getting sick.” So, you have to choose. Where do you want to pay? Do you want to pay now? Do you want to pay later? I’d rather pay now, avoid the problem. And sometimes he said to me, “But it’s more expensive,” and I was like, “I know it’s more expensive, but either don’t buy it or buy the organic version.”

So, anyway, what do I say to people? In the book we definitely go through a roadmap of how to do that and figure out what works for you because it can feel overwhelming. I mean people call me saying, “I’m reading the book! I love the book. I hate the book. It feels overwhelming.” I’m like, “I know it feels overwhelming. Don’t do it overnight. There are chapters for a reason, right? Finish the chapter. Go fix the things in the chapter, and then come back to the book. So, what I say to people is, “Don’t fill the pump up, okay? There are certain things…if you live somewhere, you’re not going to move, right? Don’t make yourself nuts. Address the things that you can address to avoid filling up your pump of toxins. If you drink out of single-use plastic bottles, get rid of them. Turn to glass or metal, you know. Turn and get to those.”

That’s a pretty low-hanging fruit for a lot of people, but maybe it’s not for a lot of people, you know. It’s everywhere to see single-use plastic bottles, so I put a ban on them. I’m like, “they’re not coming in the house,” and my kids are like, “can you keep them in the car?” I was like, “that’s the worst thing to do.” They then heat up. The heat releases even more endocrine disruptors and then my little eight-year-old drinks it. Like, no. No, I can’t keep it in the car.


So, basically you want to pick something that you can deal with, right? And so, pick your food. Level up on that, and it’s okay to go slowly. I really want people to get it’s okay to go slowly.

The other thing I didn’t say is you’re going to screw it up. I screwed up all the time. Look, I’ve known about my toxins. I’ve known that I had mercury fillings my whole life. I’m fifty-one and only now have I been ready to address it. I have not been ready to address it. I had told myself, “Well, it’s not that disruptive. They’re forty years old.” That’s wrong, by the way. It’s not true. They are very disruptive. They’re still off-gassing, but I was like, “no, they’re not.” I couldn’t get my head around it.

Yeah, the other thing about mercury fillings, folks, is you don’t want to go to a basic traditional dentist and have them drill them out.


Because then you’re going to get exposed to a heavy load of mercury all at once. There are actually called biological dentists that you want to look into, and I know there are at least a couple down in the Boston area.


I know there’s one in Skowhegan, Maine.

Oh, really? I went to camp up there. I went to camp in Canaan right next to Skowhegan…

There you go! And that’s where I went to get my mercury fillings actually taken out because I have a camp up that way myself. So, folks, you don’t want to get your fillings just drilled out. That’s one thing to make sure everybody hears. You want to remove them properly because what a biological dentist will do is sort of protect you and them from the heavy exposure all at once.

Now, Wendie, what’s your thoughts on…because you mentioned organic food and are obviously a big fan of organic food, but the EWG, the Environmental Working Group, always puts out a Clean Fifteen™ and a Dirty Dozen™ list.


What are your thoughts on that?

Do you mean ignore the Clean Fifteen™ label?

No, just the idea that they put out a Clean Fifteen™ versus a Dirty Dozen™, where the Dirty Dozen™ are obviously you’ve got to buy those organic and the Clean Fifteen™ have less pesticide exposure in their growth because not as many bugs attack, if you will, I guess, and they possibly even say you wouldn’t necessarily have to buy that particular food organic.

Yeah, I think it’s a great guidepost. You know, people really need…it’s helpful to go, “Okay, these are good. These are okay to buy non-organic.” Now, if you have the choice and you can afford it, go for the organic version. But if you can’t, then here are the things that are less harmful. It’s all about, again, decreasing harm. It’s not decreasing harm and risk. You’re never going to eliminate it completely. It’s just how do you get a little bit better?

And, by the way, let’s go back to the fillings things when you screw stuff up, and I’m always getting greenwashed, you know. People are like, “This is the best laundry detergent,” and like, “oh, it comes in a in a cardboard thing that’s all recycled, and there are no dyes and there are no perfumes.” Like, “Oh, that’s great!” No, it really wasn’t great, but I got snookered. But, okay, you learn. You live. Don’t go crazy over the times you screw it up. Don’t. It’s a game. It’s like, “How can I just get better and better at not getting greenwashed, not getting snookered?” And remembering to go to EWG before you buy anything. I should have done that, but I forgot. I just forgot you, know?

Yeah, because I’ve actually stood in, you know, a pharmacy or in the grocery store even or a hardware store and I’ve looked up…I take out my cell phone of course and pull up EWG and then put that exact product in. And they will label it either green – go ahead and use it all you want, yellowthink about it, and red – please don’t buy, it’s poison and you’re going to get sick so don’t do it! Yeah! So that folks know how to use that stuff. Wendie, I hear you have a free gift for folks?

I do because now that you’ve listened the whole podcast, you’re probably freaking out about where do you start! My team has spent a lot of hours putting together another guide for how do you get rid of toxins and get them out of your body and your life and your products and so it’s a start. We have a free guide for your listeners. They go to our website which is You’ll need to put your email in, and then we email the guide over to you.

Say that website again.


And it’s free for you!

That’s awesome! That’s nice if you offer that to folks. Folks, go to to get your free gift that you can start working on your detox. And how do folks get your book?

Super easy! It’s on Amazon. It’s also on our website. It’s called Dirty Girl. If you search for just “dirty girl” and don’t either put my name or “detox,” you’re going to get a lot of things from your search that might not pertain to detox. I highly recommend putting in “dirty girl detox book” or “dirty girl Trubow,” but my name’s hard to spell. So, just “dirty girl detox book.” You’ll get the book.

That would be a good idea.


That’s funny! So, Wendie, the last question I always love to ask folks is what is your number one secret for living a healthy life?

Is it just one thing, right?

You can have more than one if you want, but typically I try and keep it down to, you know, one or two things.

My secrets for living a healthy life are treat my body well, meaning eat well, sleep, prioritize sleep, try not to be a stress ball, move my body and try to continually improve it, have meaningful relationships and connections with people, and try to minimize how many bad things I get exposed to on any given day. I’d say those are my top!

Those are awesome! I mean, folks, there’s a list but if you think about it as Wendie has said it’s a journey. You just take it one chapter at a time, one list item at a time, one step at a time. I tell my patients that all the time. This is not a destination, it’s a journey just like life.


You can do it.

Oh, yeah.

It’s just one step one step at a time. So, is there anything else you would like to share with folks today?

I mean, there’s so much to talk about. I think this has been great because it’s a great sort of dip your toe into how do you do detox. Don’t go it alone! There are so many groups out there you can belong to on Facebook, or you can see a functional medicine provider like us.

Absolutely! Absolutely. Well, thanks so much for being on the show, Wendie. This is great! It’s time to ditch the toxins, folks, and take a look at Wendie’s book, Dirty Girl: Ditch the Toxins, Look Great, and Feel Freaking Amazing!

Yes, ma’am!

Take care, everyone!


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